October 2016 - Lnc-business - Moellman Enterprises Email

A short reminder regarding decorum
by Nicholas Sarwark 29 Oct '19

29 Oct '19

Dear All, I expect that members of the Libertarian National Committee will disagree with each other with respect. I expect that after the Libertarian National Committee comes to a decision on an issue, be it the purchase of an office or the choice to make a goal a certain number of candidates running for public office, that every member of the committee will either support the goal or at least stop trying to publicly fight against it after they've lost. I expect that every member of the Libertarian National Committee will be polite and respectful to the rest of the members and to the national office staff. If anyone is unwilling or unable to meet these expectations, I will happily accept your resignation from the Libertarian National Committee and wish you the best of luck in whatever future endeavors you choose. Yours in liberty, Nicholas J. Sarwark Chair, Libertarian National Committee

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Fwd: Proposal for Libertarian Party (from Chairman of Mississippi)
by Arvin Vohra 27 Aug '17

27 Aug '17

Hi all, please consider the following proposal from Aaron Barksdale: Mr. Vohra; Aaron Barksdale, Chairman of the Libertarian Party of Mississippi, here wanting to offer a proposal that is win-win for the LP and myself. I am writing you using a personal e-mail because this is not connected to the MSLP. In case you are not aware, the Secretary of the MSLP and I wrote a book called *Libertarianism in a Nutshell*. Please review the proposal enclosed and contact me if you have any questions or counter offers or to proceed with the proposal. Thank you, Aaron Barksdale cell: (228)238-7844 -- Arvin Vohra www.VoteVohra.com VoteVohra(a)gmail.com (301) 320-3634

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Re: [Lnc-business] LNC Region 6 Report - July 17 2016
by David Demarest 08 Dec '16

08 Dec '16

Dear [lnc-business] Readers, See the attached LNC Region 6 Report for the July 17, 2016 LNC meeting in Las Vegas that I forwarded to Wes and Robert earlier today before the printing deadline. I will present the introductory summary of the Region 6 Report at the meeting Sunday. Let me know if you have any questions or concerns. See you all in Vegas! The Invisible Hand of Self-Interest is Mightier Than the Sword of Government! The War on Cronyism Begins Now! Celebrate Life, Set the Bar High and LIVE FREE! ~David Pratt Demarest Secretary, Nebraska Libertarian State Central Committee Region 6 Representative, Libertarian National Committee Nebraska State Coordinator, LP Radical Caucus Secretary(a)LPNE.org <mailto:Secretary@LPNE.org> David.Demarest(a)LP.org <mailto:David.Demarest@LP.org> DPDemarest(a)centurylink.net <mailto:DPDemarest@centurylink.net> David.Demarest(a)firstdata.com <mailto:David.Demarest@firstdata.com> http://www.LPNE.org <http://www.lpne.org/> http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/> Cell: 402-981-6469 Home: 402-493-0873 Office: 402-222-7207 From: Demarest, David P. [mailto:David.Demarest@firstdata.com] Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 12:05 PM To: Wes Benedict <wes.benedict(a)lp.org>; Operations(a)LP.org Cc: david.demarest(a)lp.org; David Demarest - LPNE Secretary (secretary(a)lpne.org) <secretary(a)lpne.org>; David Demarest <dpdemarest(a)centurylink.net>; David Demarest <dpdemarest(a)centurylink.net> Subject: LNC Region 6 Report - July 17 2016 Wes, Robert: Here is the LNC Region 6 Report for presentation at the July 17, 2016 LNC meeting at Planet Hollywood in Las Vegas. Please confirm your receipt of this report before the 5:00 PM EDT printing deadline. I will be reading only the introductory summary during the regional report presentations. Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns. Celebrate Life, Set the Bar High and LIVE FREE! The War on Cronyism Begins Now! ~David Pratt Demarest Secretary, Nebraska Libertarian State Central Committee Region 6 Representative, Libertarian National Committee Nebraska State Coordinator, LP Radical Caucus Secretary(a)LPNE.org <mailto:Secretary@LPNE.org> David.Demarest(a)LP.org <mailto:David.Demarest@LP.org> DPDemarest(a)centurylink.net <mailto:DPDemarest@centurylink.net> David.Demarest(a)firstdata.com <mailto:David.Demarest@firstdata.com> http://www.LPNE.org <http://www.lpne.org/> http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/> Cell: 402-981-6469 Home: 402-493-0873 Office: 402-222-7207

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goals adopted today
by Alicia Mattson 07 Dec '16

07 Dec '16

I've had two region reps request that I provide copies of the 6 goals the LNC adopted today. They are (in descending order of support level): 1. 1000 candidates in 2016 2. Take action to see that each state has operational affiliate by June 1, 2015 3. 300 candidates by 2016 trained in Who’s Driving 4. Updated issue-based outreach literature this term 5. 38-state party-status ballot access as of Dec 1, 2016 6. 200 elected Libertarian officials in Dec 2016 Alicia Mattson LNC Secretary

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Re: [Lnc-business] [Lnc-votes] LP.org website transition botched (as predicted)
by Starchild 29 Nov '16

29 Nov '16

Thanks for the laugh this morning at your photo descriptions Daniel, lol... :-D But seriously, that's kinda what I like about some of the pictures – they help people come across as the diverse individuals we are. I'm not saying none of the shots could be better, and if the LNC members you've mentioned want to select or provide different photos of themselves, of course they should be able to do so. But I'd be disappointed if folks chose to reject individuality in favor of "institutional" type photos that look like they could have been plucked from a corporate annual report. Good catch on noticing that the LNC Policy Manual is missing from the new site, if that is the case. I tried to do a search, but either it isn't loading for me right now, or when you search for results of a term that can't be found, it just displays a blank page rather than a notice saying it couldn't find the term. Love & Liberty, ((( starchild ))) At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee (415) 625-FREE @StarchildSF On Oct 27, 2016, at 5:00 AM, lnc-votes(a)hq.lp.org wrote: > I have not looked very hard yet, but even at 5 am central in the morning the website is godawful slow to load. That's not a bitch, consider that informational purposes. > > On the LNC page. ( https://www.lp.org/libertarian-national-committee/ )Many of us paid for head shots. Moving away from that I think is a bad idea. Also, there are a lot of problems with this page from the standpoint of basic human psychology. Most of what I say below is Nov. 9th stuff, but I think correcting the pictures is a bit more pressing. > > Nick's looks real young and innocent. He reminds me of a kindergarten student in that picture. It's his picture but I suggest his pro head shot. I do think Valerie might like this one though but he convinced her to marry him so I think he is past the phase of convincing her he is credible and competent. > > Arvin's looks surprised like someone just told him he got selected to represent the school in the spelling bee and responded with. "REALLY? ME?!!!" > > Alicia's picture has her looking away and you can't see her eyes. She looks occupied. Its not as bad as the others but once again... Pro Head shot. > > Bill's picture is the one that caught my attention with this initially. Bill looks pissed off. He might have been pissed off. I feel ya Bill...I get pissed off a lot too like I will be in my next email after this one to the list. That said..NOT the picture to use. Pro head shot > > I think Larry's is a decent one but why not use a Pro head shot if he has one for consistency. > > That said... WHY? I now find myself involved in the task that this board shouldn't be involved in.. Micromanaging things. But at the same time, I am annoyed that staff time was spent deciding on putting these pictures here when all of the people I mentioned with "bad" pics in my opinion had professional head shots that they PAID for. Also where is Sam's? Never mind..I thought it was a broken link but it just failed to load the first time. Also, I think his picture is less than flattering compared to his head shot. I know there were others that had professional head shots. Now we have a bunch of blank spaces and many of our board members not looking very inspiring of confidence. > e > Additionally, the form of the page. Get the pictures of the people at the TOP instead of a Wall O Text mapping out all the regions. Put that below the pictures. IF someone needs to figure out their region or is interested they will look. Leave the link to the LNC reflector list at the top. Also, lose the spot where it lists the region of every member below the pictures because almost half the people listed don't have a region. Just list the region number in between the word Region and Representative where that is listed below each person's name. > Let's include a place for people's phone numbers that want those included. Mine is 504-258-6176. > > Also where is the link to the Policy manual these days? I used to be able to find it by going to this page. It doesn't seem to be listed here anymore and doesn't seem to be in with the bylaws. > > > Daniel Hayes > LNC At Large Member Region:At Large > > > On Oct 26, 2016, at 05:05 PM, Starchild <sfdreamer(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > >> Thanks, Kevin. Can you tell me which issues that I mentioned are not being addressed, and if/when you plan to address them? >> >> I'm also wondering about the specific issue I mentioned in my previous message about the LNC page losing information on the way over, because I got the impression from your comment "Staff has copied over existing pages and so nothing is lost or destroyed or anything of this sort", that this should not have occurred. Do you know how it happened in this case, and whether it may have happened in other cases as well? >> >> Love & Liberty, >> ((( starchild ))) >> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee >> (415) 625-FREE >> @StarchildSF >>> >> >> >> On Oct 26, 2016, at 8:32 AM, Kevin Ludlow wrote: >>> Thanks, Starchild. >>> >>> Your feedback is well-taken and to your point, most of the issues you mention are being addressed. >>> >>> -Kevin >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 4:04 AM, Starchild <sfdreamer(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >>> On Oct 25, 2016, at 9:05 PM, Kevin Ludlow wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks, Ken, for the constructive position. >>>> As noted, I would really like to get actual problems with the site organized so that they can be tackled. Staff has been working on testing; I have been building the infrastructure. >>>> It is very useful to be informed of visible problems so that we can address them so any effort you're willing to make in that regard is highly appreciated. >>>> >>>> ~k >>> >>> Hi Kevin, >>> >>> Not sure whether you saw my original post to the LNC list informing on a number of actual problems with the site, but in case you missed it, here it is. In light of your explanations in response to Chuck and Caryn, I'm curious about one page which has been ported over to the new site but still somehow lost some information along the way, namely the LNC page (https://www.lp.org/libertarian-national-committee/) which no longer lists any phone numbers or other contact info beyond email addresses. I would like my phone number [(415) 625-FREE] and twitter handle (@StarchildSF) added to that page. (Ideally I think every LNC member's listing should include a phone number at which they can be contacted.) Thanks, and please let me know if you have any questions about anything else I wrote below. >>> >>> Love & Liberty, >>> ((( starchild ))) >>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee >>> (415) 625-FREE >>> @StarchildSF >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 10/25/2016 12:53 PM, Starchild wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yesterday, I'm told, the launch of the new and improved LP.org website took place. And on the whole, at a quick look, I'd say it is an improvement. Both appearance-wise and organizationally, I like the new site. I wouldn't call the difference earth-shattering, but my initial impression is generally positive. >>>>> >>>>> There are however a number of issues that have come to my attention which could use fixing, some more serious than others: >>>>> >>>>> • While the site looks good on the web, it looks terrible on my phone! The "Latest News" boxes show up as long, narrow, unreadable columns of type with a couple letters on each line. Considering how many people access websites on mobile devices, fixing this should be a high priority. >>>>> >>>>> • I don't see either the "Party of Principle" or "Minimum Government, Maximum Freedom" slogans shown anywhere (a search for key terms doesn't turn them up). Nor do I see the Nolan Chart except buried in a link. Each of these ought to be listed prominently, imho. The brief introduction statement when you click on "Libertarian Party" at the top of the main page is rather weak ("The Libertarian Party (LP) is your representative in American politics. We are the only political organization which respects you as a unique and responsible individual.") >>>>> >>>>> • The more detailed description of the party has a conservative leaning. Under "The Libertarian Option" (at http://libparty.zocalodesign.com/about/ , a URL that like that of many pages should also be fixed so that it doesn't include the web design company's website), it reads: >>>>> >>>>>> Consider voting Libertarian or joining the Libertarian Party because… >>>>>> We seek to substantially reduce the size and intrusiveness of government and cut and eliminate taxes at every opportunity. >>>>>> We believe that peaceful, honest people should be able to offer their goods and services to willing consumers without inappropriate interference from government. >>>>>> We believe that peaceful, honest people should decide for themselves how to live their lives, without fear of criminal or civil penalties. >>>>>> We believe that government’s only responsibility, if any, should be protecting people from force and fraud. >>>>> The first two points above appeal more to conservatives or people on the right (economic freedoms), while the second two points are more neutral in terms of left/right appeal. There is no balancing appeal to people on the left by explicitly mentioning things like a non-interventionist foreign policy or civil liberties such as ending Prohibition and reining in police abuse. >>>>> >>>>> • The URL for the candidate page has changed (hat tip to Thomas Knapp), and entering the former URL (http://www.lp.org/2016-libertarian-party-candidates) apparently now results in a page error rather than connecting people to the new page (https://www.lp.org/2016-candidates/) >>>>> >>>>> • If the information about how to subscribe to the LNC email list as a non-LNC member got ported over, I cannot find it. I would suggest listing this both on the LNC leadership page, and on the LNC meeting archives page. >>>>> >>>>> • The LNC page only lists email addresses. Previously at least a couple LNC members' listings included phone number and/or other info such as Twitter address, but now those listings are gone and only email addresses are listed. I would personally like my phone number and Twitter handle listed, and encourage my colleagues to request their phone numbers likewise be listed, so that our members can readily reach us directly as well as in writing. >>>>> >>>>> • Where email addresses are listed on the website (for candidates, LNC members, staff, college chapter reps., etc.), they are spelled out. That's unfortunately asking to get us spammed by web-crawling bots that harvest email addresses. I recommend changing this so that addresses are listed in a less literal format such as Nick.Sarwark[at]LP.org >>>>> >>>>> • The page https://www.lp.org/_2016/ mentions Johnson and Weld being our presidential and VP candidates, but the photo next to the text is not a photo of Johnson and Weld, but of Johnson and a woman I'm guessing is his girlfriend (which is fine, but should be labeled as such so as not to give visitors the impression that the images reflect the text). >>>>> >>>>> • Our bylaws are referred to in the info at the bottom of each page as "LNC Bylaws" rather than "Libertarian Party Bylaws" >>>>> >>>>> • A number of people (staff, LNC members) are missing photos. To whom can we send photos of these individuals, if we have them, as well as our contact info updates for the LNC page? >>>>> >>>>> I realize the site has just been updated; hopefully some of the above issues are being addressed even as I type this message. And on the bright side, the new "candidate pledges" section listing candidates who've signed each pledge is a nice addition, along with the listing by name and state of life members, candidates, and elected officials, not to mention the attractive photos from the convention scattered throughout the site. I like that the membership and donation forms are single-page, and that the FAQ page addresses arguments against participating in the system at all. And I love the "Help Us Grow" page (http://libparty.zocalodesign.com/how-to-help/) and the addition of a "worldwide" link in addition to the state affiliates and campus organizations! But I would suggest that link directly to a list of the libertarian parties around the world, with that page then containing a link to and information about the International Alliance of Libertarian Parties. Right now it immediately leads offsite to the IALP page, which is a little confusing. >>>>> >>>>> That's my feedback at this time. If staff would acknowledge receipt of this message and keep us appraised of the progress in addressing the above-mentioned issues, that would be great. >>>>> >>>>> Love & Liberty, >>>>> ((( starchild ))) >>>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee >>>>> (415) 625-FREE >>>>> @StarchildSF >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:59 PM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman(a)lpky.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> I've been involved in lots of various projects throughout my IT career. This website project seems to fit the stereotypical IT project. >>>> >>>> I personally don't like the layout of the website, but I'm a grumpy "old" man who still likes 2006-era website layouts with drop-down menus and whatnot. The design we need, however, is one targeted at millenials. We know this because of the Johnson campaign's polling. That's the future of this party. I believe that this website accomplishes that task. I'd be interested to see how it looks on a mobile (I'm also still using a Blackberry. Don't ask.) >>>> >>>> Kevin - Thank you for continuing onward with this project, even though you are no longer on the LNC. As one who's been embroiled in volunteer projects that have run over time and over budget, I know how much of a PITA it is to put the time in and also take the inevitable hits. I'm sure you're all too aware, as well. But I wanted to make sure you knew that at least I knew and recognized what's up. >>>> >>>> Chuck, and others with concerns - Let's make a list of the "what's wrong", try to prioritize that list based on importance and easy of resolution, and try to work through them. Any website changeover will take time to fix. I know there are some "broken links" where people externally linked things like LP.org/join ... I have a cool graphic from The Advocates that we used on LPKY.org that has the same problem. These can ad should be resolved. >>>> >>>> >>>> As the new IT committee is formed, I'm sure we'll be tasked with assessing these issues and implementing fixes. I ask that everyone please be patient. We have 2 weeks until the election is over. If there's anything election-related that's not working, then we definitely need to address that immediately. Otherwise, let's get through Nov 8th and then we can push forward with this and other projects. >>>> >>>> --- >>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr. >>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative >>>> LPKY Judicial Committee >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2016-10-25 23:38, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thank you Kevin. I will cool my jets on that issue for a few days and check back in. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> In Liberty, >>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos >>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos(a)LP.org >>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado >>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> No problem, Caryn. >>>>> >>>>> I wouldn't even think days. I would think A day. Staff was tasked with taking each page from the old Drupal system and importing it into the new one. As far as I know ALL pages were copied over. They were copied into 1 of 6 (or so) different page templates that were created to serve different formats of data. So I'm certain we have everything. Even if it hadn't been copied over, we still have it and it would just need TO BE copied over, but I don't believe this is the case. I believe in those cases the links structure may have changed. We have been updating these so that all incoming links to the old structure point to the appropriate new structure and send out PERMANENT REDIRECT notifications to Google and such (so things are updated). >>>>> >>>>> ~k >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:28 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Thank you Kevin. >>>>> >>>>> That is why I was asking staff about them. If we are talking a matter of days for that content - that is reasonable. If moreso, not so much. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> In Liberty, >>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos >>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos(a)LP.org >>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado >>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Caryn, >>>>> >>>>> I genuinely am not trying to avoid those issues. I know content is there. What I'm trying to convey is that from my point of view, if those documents are "opaque" for another 12 hours, I'm okay with that. I realize you might not be, but this goes back to my volunteering work. I have to prioritize work that I am personally responsible for. >>>>> >>>>> So I will happily weigh in with staff and get links to them. I can even check the admin pages and see what the current URL is provided they have been copied and not linked. >>>>> >>>>> But I really need to know if anything is actually not functioning. This is what my current workload is. >>>>> >>>>> I apologize if any of that sounds dismissive. It's not my intent, but I can't do specific projects for you and/or Chuck or the LNC or whomever else right now as I need to make sure the site is fully functional. If/when it IS fully functional (which it very well may already be), then we can address any missing pieces. >>>>> >>>>> ~k >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:15 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Thank you Kevin for all your work. >>>>> >>>>> I can't though not desire answers on the minutes archives and LNC business list not being there. That is essential for members and cannot be optional. >>>>> >>>>> Can staff answer when those can be restored? This is an acceptable situation of opacity. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> In Liberty, >>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos >>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos(a)LP.org >>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado >>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Caryn, >>>>> >>>>> I've always gotten along with you just fine as you're very reasonable. >>>>> >>>>> In this case, I respectfully disagree that it's useful to deliver a 6-page rant citing the "I told you so" lines when the decision has been done, executed, and is live. Further, I have been in this business for 20 years now. We had roughly 2.5 hours of outages this morning between roughly 7:45AM and 9:15AM EST. This was only because of the unknown. Staff has spent a lot of time testing this software. It was rolled over twice already and rolled back just to ensure we COULD roll it back if there was a major problem. The point being that we transitioned an entire infrastructure from 6 services to ONE, the monthly cost savings should be about $500 once everything is in place, and best I can tell nothing is broken - there are just complaints that some things are missing (which they're definitely not, but I'll concede that perhaps staff hasn't finished adding links - I honestly don't know right now). >>>>> >>>>> There are no major problems that anyone has reported save for the overloading this morning. The page content was always intended to / has been / and IS preserved. If a link isn't immediately visible, then staff can correct that if appropriate. >>>>> >>>>> IF there are broken links, namely as a URL may have changed and needs to be forwarded now, I would really, genuinely like to know so I can fix those problems. I offered that to Chuck. I offered it to you. >>>>> >>>>> That said, we can start however necessary. I have ostensibly worked on this for 3.5 straight weeks. That is not because of the website itself, but rather the years of garbaged up infrastructure. We would have rolled the site out 6 weeks ago if not for all of that. My point being that I've been voluntarily taking on FAR more work than was entailed in the website redesign itself because our infrastructure couldn't handle the modern codebase (it is roughly 8 years out of spec). >>>>> >>>>> I would ask that you leave whatever issues you have with content alone for the time being. I'm not saying they won't be addressed, I'm saying that it's not a primary concern. The primary concern is ensuring that the site is running so it can serve up any content. IF there is a problem with something not loading, we need to know that. >>>>> >>>>> Staff has copied over existing pages and so nothing is lost or destroyed or anything of this sort. >>>>> >>>>> I need to convey though, that I am not on the clock for the people on this thread. I have been, and am continuing to volunteer a tremendous amount of time to ensure this is completed smoothly. I am happy to try and fix things that are broken. I'm very uninterested in listening to Mr. Molton rant on about his discontent with the structure. It's done. That ship sailed in February. >>>>> >>>>> So that's where I'm at. By all means, please inform me of broken pieces so we can look at and correct anything ASAP. >>>>> >>>>> ~k >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:01 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Kevin, >>>>> >>>>> He was writing as a member to a busy elected to SERVE members. That means sometimes we will hear things we don't want to and have to respond to very upset complaints. No matter what anyone says - high-handed responses are not appropriate IMHO. >>>>> >>>>> I didn't agree with Chuck's desire to see heads roll. I said so respectfully, >>>>> >>>>> Can we start again? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> In Liberty, >>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos >>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos(a)LP.org >>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado >>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Caryn, >>>>> >>>>> Chuck opened with whoever made the decision was a MORON and should be FIRED. >>>>> >>>>> I think my response was in line. >>>>> >>>>> Regardless, I remain open to seeing links broken. I'm sure some still exist. We launched the site this morning. Staff has spent weeks testing the site and fixing links and such. I'm all for fixing dead links, but 6 pages of complaints without any information is not helpful. >>>>> >>>>> Also, I'm not a member of the LNC. I'm a volunteer only. So I don't really owe anyone anything. I've delightfully put in a couple hundred hours so far. That's the best I'm willing to do at this point given such a response. >>>>> >>>>> K >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Kevin, that was an inappropriate response to concerns of a member IMHO- his concerns are valid and shouldn't be dismissed as "oh you Libertarians, you are a minority - we can safely ignore you." >>>>> >>>>> Where are the links to the LNC Business list, the old blog articles, and the past minutes? >>>>> >>>>> Can we have the discussion without sarcasm and without putting down Libertarians as inconsequential? >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> In Liberty, >>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos >>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos(a)LP.org >>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado >>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 8:19 PM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Hey Chuck, >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the constructive feedback. >>>>> >>>>> I'll delightfully take credit/responsibility for whatever and all actions you've written about. Please pardon Nick, Robert, Wes, and anybody else in your crosshairs. I'm sure they'll be relieved to be spared. >>>>> >>>>> I'm not going to read that entire document you've sent as I've spent the last 3 weeks trying to fix the party's infrastructure for the website TO go live. It was finished two days ago, it was launched last night. That was my call. >>>>> >>>>> What would be useful right now would be if you could point out the broken links so that we can assign permanent redirects to them. Any page content that existed STILL exists. This has been made clear over and over again. It's possible that some page links have not been forwarded, but I've been monitoring logs on all 4 servers all day and have not seen many 404s. The downtime this morning wasn't actually from an outage, but rather ME under-predicting the load our servers would take. This is admittedly because I didn't have any data to go on because -- well -- we've not really ever kept any before. I made the best prediction I could; I way under-estimated. The servers were scaled up and unless you're seeing something different, the site has been running fine all day since about 9:45am CST. It was running before that just fine too, but the morning surge in traffic overwhelmed it. >>>>> >>>>> So anyway, if you'd like to submit broken links, we'd love to set up additional forwards. Overall though, I'm pretty happy with the change. I'm happy we've done it before the election - even if it wound up being delayed from our proposed launch of September 29th. >>>>> >>>>> The old site was very, very bad. I know you're a tech guy all the way. I know words resonate with you and not colors and images and feelings and emotions. But you comprise a very, very, VERY small portion of the American electorate and the new site was designed to appeal to people who are visually oriented, not interested in reading walls of text, and might have the attention span of a few seconds at best (eg: the vast majority of people). It was designed for people who might not care about the Libertarian Party - in hopes that something grabs their attention and they begin to care. We don't need to "win over" existing Libertarians -- or at least one would think, but it's honestly hard to tell these days. Regardless, it was decided. It's done. You can hate it. But I'd still love your help in knowing where links are broken instead of mostly ignoring another wall of text. That would help ensure that it's in good shape. >>>>> >>>>> If you'd like to vent further, feel free to call me at 512-773-3968 to spare the group. >>>>> >>>>> Sincerely, >>>>> Kevin >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 8:56 PM, Chuck Moulton <chuck(a)moulton.org> wrote: >>>>> LNC members, >>>>> >>>>> Many of the problems I warned about have in fact come to pass. It is Cassandra's Curse: always right but never believed. >>>>> >>>>> See the exchange from IPR quoted below (in the P.S.) for context and institutional memory. I'll quote and discuss some of the highlights here. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> WARNING #1: TRANSITIONS CAN BE BOTCHED, LEADING TO DOWNTIME — AT THE WORST TIME IN THE ELECTION CYCLE FOR SUCH DOWNTIME: THE PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN. >>>>> >>>>> This buggy transition was implemented 13 days before the presidential election. That is the 13th worst day in a 4 year cycle to unveil a new a new website. There were/are 1,448 better days to change to a new website in a 4 year cycle. >>>>> >>>>> Whatever MORON decided to switch to a new website today instead of after the election should be immediately FIRED. Do not pass go, do not collect $200. FIRED. I can't imagine a stupider, more incompetent, strategically insane decision than pulling the plug on a working website and trying out a new, buggy website immediately before a presidential election. It is INSANE. >>>>> >>>>> I like staff, but if Wes Benedict made this idiotic decision, FIRE HIM IMMEDIATELY. >>>>> >>>>> I like much of the LNC, but if Nick Sarwark made this idiotic decision, SUSPEND HIM FOR CAUSE IMMEDIATELY (I'll gladly recuse myself as a member of the Judicial Committee if he appeals). >>>>> >>>>> If Kevin Ludlow made this idiotic decision, RESCIND THE FEBRUARY 2016 MOTION GIVING LUDLOW UNILATERAL AUTHORITY OVER THE LP'S MOST IMPORTANT ASSET IMMEDIATELY. >>>>> >>>>> Everything we were told about a professional transition that does not suffer from the pitfalls I highlighted was a lie. >>>>> >>>>> It takes significantly more time for lp.org pages to load than before. The site has been down on & off all day long. For a while people were directed to another domain whenever they went to a LP page: libparty.zocalodesign.com. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> WARNING #2: A LOT OF CONTENT IS REMOVED. LACK OF THAT CONTENT MAKES IT MUCH HARDER TO ENERGIZE PROSPECTS; GET DONATIONS, VOLUNTEERS, AND CANDIDATES; AND TRAIN LIBERTARIANS ON BEST PRACTICES. >>>>> >>>>> In fact (as predicted), a lot of content has been removed from lp.org. >>>>> >>>>> For example, as chair of the Judicial Committee I wonder what happened to the webpage listing bylaws mandated committee members? >>>>> >>>>> Where is the link to the LP Business list? >>>>> >>>>> Where are the LNC minute archives before 2015? >>>>> >>>>> I could go on and on, but I cover this point more broadly in my next unheeded warning. >>>>> >>>>> I was repeatedly assured that content would not be removed, except that the front page would be made less cluttered. That was a lie. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> WARNING #3: BOTH CONTENT REMOVAL AND TRANSITIONS TO A NEW SYSTEM MAY LEAD SOME PAGES TO BE REMOVED OR MOVED, BREAKING LINKS TO PARTS OF THE SITE FROM ALL AROUND THE INTERNET AND MAKING US LOOK UNPROFESSIONAL WITH 404 ERRORS. >>>>> >>>>> The number of 404 errors is shocking! Activists have been out there for months / years promoting our website by linking to it -- especially during this presidential election. Most of those links are now broken. >>>>> >>>>> Just try clicking on many of these links: >>>>> https://www.google.com/search?site=&source=hp&q=site%3Alp.org&oq=site%3Alp.… >>>>> >>>>> I've been told the solution is just to report each broken link. That is ridiculous! It is completely unprofessional for a website transition to be reactive instead of proactive -- especially given that broken links probably number in the thousands. We were assured that this would be a professional transition, but that was a lie. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> WARNING #4: A NEW SYSTEM REQUIRES RETRAINING STAFF ON PROCESSES — TIME THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DEVOTED TO OTHER THINGS. EVEN AFTER RETRAINING THERE WILL BE A LEARNING CURVE... EXTRA TIME FOR WEBSITE RELATED TASKS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DEVOTED TO OTHER THINGS. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> In fact (as predicted), staff has mentioned that the website transition has taken staff time that could have been devoted to other matters in this busy election season. >>>>> >>>>> Wes Benedict wrote: >>>>> http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business_hq.lp.org/2016/006577.html >>>>> I hope we can get those things below implemented early in 2017, >>>>> however, and get back to LPedia and many other projects, but first >>>>> we're trying to roll out the new LP.org website. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> WARNING #5: INTERNAL SCRIPTS THAT CURRENTLY AUTOMATICALLY SHOOT DATA TO STATE AFFILIATES SUCH AS THE VOLUNTEER FORM, THE WANT TO BE A CANDIDATE FORM, THE INFO FORM, ETC. MAY STOP WORKING, WHICH WOULD DEPRIVE STATES OF A VALUABLE SOURCE OF LEADS DURING A TRANSITION PERIOD. >>>>> >>>>> Do these all still work? I don't know. I can't currently test this as I am not a state chair right now. I hope someone is testing this stuff. Based on all of the other monumental errors highlighted above, I certainly don't trust whoever oversaw the website transition to have done this testing. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You all made a monumental error when you voted on this website. Please do whatever you can to minimize the damage and triage the website that is being butchered before your very eyes. I hope the lost content can be restored and the bugs can be fixed ASAP. Even if everything is fixed within the next week though, the timing is still horrendous. >>>>> >>>>> Chuck Moulton >>>>> Life Member & Monthly Pledger, Libertarian Party >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> P.S. See below for context on this botched website transition and eerily accurate prophesies from people with a clue. >>>>> >>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote: >>>>> http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business_hq.lp.org/2016/004164.html >>>>> 1) Our website is a joke. I mean a real, horrible, laughable, "maybe >>>>> it's 1996 and the www portion of the internet has just been >>>>> unleashed" joke. It's got ridiculous internal ads all over it. It's >>>>> terribly organized. It uses bad images. It has an outdated font, not >>>>> great font colors, and antiquated font-spacing and sizing. It barely >>>>> functions on mobile devices. It's full of information it doesn't need >>>>> to have. It conveys that we're not a serious organization. >>>>> >>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote: >>>>> http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business_hq.lp.org/2016/004283.html >>>>> We want to do all of these things. So I'm asking you, just stop what >>>>> you're doing for 30 seconds, reflect what could happen if we >>>>> actually tried to accomplish this one little task. What is the WORST >>>>> that could happen? We fail? We're in a very slightly worse financial >>>>> position than we already are? But now consider what is the BEST that >>>>> could happen? Maybe this tailspin of a cash hole we're in stops. >>>>> MAYBE people would see that the LNC is doing something external. >>>>> MAYBE people would have their morale boosted just a little bit and >>>>> be more inclined to donate. MAYBE we could use it as a way to >>>>> leverage requesting donations from people. >>>>> >>>>> Chuck Moulton wrote: >>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-national-committe… >>>>> What's the worst that can happen? It's not $20,000 wasted. That is >>>>> pretty stupid thinking there... accounting rather than economics. The >>>>> worst that can happen is the site is much worse than before. A lot >>>>> of content is removed. Lack of that content makes it much harder to >>>>> energize prospects; get donations, volunteers, and candidates; and >>>>> train libertarians on best practices. A new system requires >>>>> retraining staff on processes — time that coupd have been devoted to >>>>> other things. Even after retraining there will be a learning curve... >>>>> extra time for website related tasks that could have been devoted to >>>>> other things. Will conversion of new visitors go up with a new >>>>> flashy styled website? Maybe, but it could also go down, which is a >>>>> potential cost. This is especially likely when the focus is on >>>>> design/style rather than the technical features under the hood. When >>>>> content is removed it may piss off current donors and activists, who >>>>> may reduce their donations and activism. Both content removal and >>>>> transitions to a new system may lead some pages to be removed or >>>>> moved, breaking links to parts of the site from all around the >>>>> Internet and making us look unprofessional with 404 errors. New >>>>> sites often start out with a few bugs and errors which can take a >>>>> while to track down... the site may look less professional in the >>>>> interim. Transitions can be botched, leading to downtime — at the >>>>> worst time in the election cycle for such downtime: the presidential >>>>> campaign. Internal scripts that currently automatically shoot data to >>>>> state affiliates such as the volunteer form, the want to be a >>>>> candidate form, the info form, etc. may stop working, which would >>>>> deprive states of a valuable source of leads during a transition >>>>> period. That's just what I could come up with off the top of my head... >>>>> there are probably a lot more. >>>>> >>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote: >>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-national-committe… >>>>> I've launched many large scale sites just in the past year and not a >>>>> single one of those sites had any of the problems you're referring >>>>> to. They DID – when they were on our development and testing servers >>>>> – but not when they went into production. That's how web launches >>>>> are done professionally. A thorough maintenance schedule would also >>>>> be implemented and the website would be designed for minimal >>>>> maintainability in the first place. ...also in accordance with best >>>>> practices. >>>>> >>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote: >>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-national-committe… >>>>> Furthermore, there is absolutely NO intention to remove Libertarian >>>>> content from the website. This crowd has an astounding ability to >>>>> spin half-truths and bake them into something entirely different. I >>>>> will clarify specifically what is meant by moving them around. >>>>> >>>>> The FRONT PAGE of a website (for a non-profit, business, or any >>>>> other organization) is NOT to leave people with walls of text. It is >>>>> to create a fast and positive impression and to get a call to >>>>> action. >>>>> >>>>> Having dozens and dozens of options is incredibly poor design, >>>>> thoroughly proven to be ineffective, and generally an archaic >>>>> website idea. The current website is not responsive; it does not work >>>>> well (and not at all in some cases) on mobile and tablet devices. >>>>> >>>>> Chuck Moulton wrote: >>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-national-committe… >>>>> Great! Somehow in all your emails to the LNC (I read every LNC >>>>> business list email) you never mentioned anything about the >>>>> transition process. All you talk about is design/style. >>>>> >>>>> If you can manage a transition process well, that's wonderful. It >>>>> certainly hasn't been done in the past. The transition from FoxPro >>>>> to Raiser's Edge was a disaster... it resulted in states not receiving >>>>> working dumps for a year and a lot of records being screwed up >>>>> (e.g., deceased coming back to life, etc.). During the website >>>>> transition a decade ago, the LNC meeting minutes archive and the >>>>> Success 97 and Success 99 seminars were removed. >>>>> >>>>> See the IT Committee discussion and report (pp. 15-16, pp. 51-59): >>>>> https://www.lp.org/archives/lnc20061111.pdf >>>>> >>>>> If there will be no transition hiccups, that's wonderful news. You >>>>> still didn't address all the scripts on the website right now and >>>>> the technical considerations Shane discussed. >>>>> >>>>> I'm concerned about giving management of the transition job who only >>>>> talks about design/style, wants to remove content (supposedly... >>>>> >>>>> though I see you have now clarified that), and never mentions a >>>>> transition plan to minimize problems. >>>>> >>>>> It's great that you're finally talking about a transition plan! It's >>>>> not my fault it's the first I've heard of it though. >>>>> >>>>> There are lots of people in the LP (myself included) who have seen >>>>> transitions mismanaged and are worried of a repeat of those >>>>> disasters. We're not saying the sky is going to fall because of you. >>>>> We're saying the sky has fallen in the past, we have documented >>>>> evidence of this, and you don't seem as on top of the process as we >>>>> would hope to prevent similar problems. (You also seem to lack the >>>>> institutional memory to be aware of these past issues.) That's a >>>>> matter of you not communicating your transition plan and experience, >>>>> not a matter of us being overly pessimistic. >>>>> >>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote: >>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-national-committe… >>>>> I'm sorry you've had people half-ass these efforts in the past. I >>>>> definitely cannot say I'm surprised. I focus on style because to the >>>>> external world, style IS the most important thing. This in no way >>>>> means I neglect the engine, but in 20 years of delivering projects, >>>>> nearly 100% of clients will respond positively to a broken system >>>>> that looks amazing over a badass functioning system that looks ugly. >>>>> It's just psychology. Again, it doesn't mean it doesn't all get >>>>> done. >>>>> >>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-national-committe… >>>>> I've found libertarians have a different psychology than much of the >>>>> world. The tech saavy folks will feel talked down to or ignored if >>>>> you only talk about style, ignoring tech under the hood. The >>>>> ideological folks will feel defensive if you malign content. I fall >>>>> in both categories, as do others on this thread. >>>>> >>>>> Just something to keep in mind for the future. >>>>> >>>>> Stewart Flood wrote: >>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-national-committe… >>>>> So they're creating a new website committee and giving it authority >>>>> to screw everything up without having to go back to the LNC to get >>>>> approval on which one of their pals they give the money to? >>>>> >>>>> Chuck Moulton wrote: >>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-national-committe… >>>>> Yes, they created a new committee with unlimited power over the >>>>> website. Then they spent the whole time debating an irrelevant >>>>> $10,000. >>>>> >>>>> Chuck Moulton wrote: >>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-national-committe… >>>>> I am hugely concerned about giving any one person carte blanche over >>>>> the website. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> ======================================================== >>>>> Kevin Ludlow >>>>> 512-773-3968 >>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> In Liberty, >>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos >>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos(a)LP.org >>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado >>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> ======================================================== >>>>> Kevin Ludlow >>>>> 512-773-3968 >>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> In Liberty, >>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos >>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos(a)LP.org >>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado >>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> ======================================================== >>>>> Kevin Ludlow >>>>> 512-773-3968 >>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> In Liberty, >>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos >>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos(a)LP.org >>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado >>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> ======================================================== >>>>> Kevin Ludlow >>>>> 512-773-3968 >>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> In Liberty, >>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos >>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos(a)LP.org >>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado >>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> ======================================================== >>>>> Kevin Ludlow >>>>> 512-773-3968 >>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> In Liberty, >>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos >>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos(a)LP.org >>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado >>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Lnc-business mailing list >>>>> Lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org >>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ======================================================== >>>> Kevin Ludlow >>>> 512-773-3968 >>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Lnc-business mailing list >>>> Lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org >>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ======================================================== >>> Kevin Ludlow >>> 512-773-3968 >>> http://www.kevinludlow.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Lnc-business mailing list >> Lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org >> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lncvotes" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lncvotes+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > _______________________________________________ > Lnc-business mailing list > Lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org > http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lncvotes" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lncvotes+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > _______________________________________________ > Lnc-votes mailing list > Lnc-votes(a)hq.lp.org > http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-votes_hq.lp.org > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lncvotes" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lncvotes+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

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Email Ballot 2016-15: Censure John Moore
by Alicia Mattson 05 Nov '16

05 Nov '16

We have an electronic mail ballot. *Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by October 31, 2016 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time.* *Co-Sponsors:* Harlos, Demarest, Hayes, Vohra, Starchild, Goldstein, Redpath *Motion:* Whereas Nevada Assemblyman John Moore, a former Republican who in January 2016 switched to the Libertarian Party while in office, has during the past month voted not once but twice in the span of as many days to raise taxes on his constituents, including a vote to support a "More Cops" tax which the Libertarian Party of Nevada has tirelessly and thus far successfully opposed, and a vote to provide a $750 million subsidy to finance a billionaire-owned sports stadium at the expense of, among others, indigent persons renting weekly rooms in motels; and Whereas the elected leaders of our state affiliate party in Nevada have rightfully voted to censure Assemblyman Moore for these egregious votes; and Whereas we wish to convey a strong message to all and sundry that while we welcome sitting legislators in the Republican or Democrat parties who decide to switch to the Libertarian Party as an act of conscience, we do not welcome them if they intend, as members of our party, to continue voting and acting like Republicans or Democrats; Therefore be it resolved that the Libertarian National Committee hereby censures Assemblyman Moore for his recent votes in support of tax increases, requests that he return the $10,000 campaign contribution which the LNC this season voted to send him, and admonishes him to henceforward be a better champion of the values held by members of the political party with which he has chosen to affiliate if he intends to remain a Libertarian. -Alicia

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VOTE Re: Email Ballot 2016-15: Censure John Moore
by Starchild 31 Oct '16

31 Oct '16

For the reasons discussed in my previous post, I vote yes on this motion. Love & Liberty, ((( starchild ))) At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee (415) 625-FREE @StarchildSF

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Happy Halloween! – The Latest from WikiLeaks on Hillary Clinton / Donald Trump's "Greatest Hits" Scandal Cheat Sheet
by Starchild 31 Oct '16

31 Oct '16

Halloween itself doesn't seem so scary this year compared to the horror likely awaiting us next Tuesday, but since today is the traditional day for evil witches (apologies to the wiccans and other practitioners of the craft) and nasty things that go trump in the night, it seemed appropriate to share a foretaste of the possible horrors awaiting us on November 8 unless the American people miraculously come to their senses. For us Libertarians, it's kind of like watching one of those horror movie scenes where the soon-to-be-victims can clearly see the shambling monster(s) approaching but just can't seem to get their act together, and you're gripping the arms of your chair and mentally screaming, "Run you fools!" The website WikiLeaks just keeps proving the value and importance of its new model of journalism. Below is a list of some recent material released by the website associated with international dissident Julian Assange from the hacked email account of John Podesta (Hillary Clinton 2016 campaign chair and former chief of staff to president Bill Clinton), courtesy of http://www.mostdamagingwikileaks.com/new-leaks – perhaps a good site to visit regularly if you'd like to see some of the "most damaging" email leaks for yourself without the filtering of other media or the formidable task of wading through a ton of other WikiLeaks material. Some of the material seems relatively important/incriminating, other items not so much, but it's all interesting reading... and these are just the highlights of two days worth of leaks! No doubt there's much more there to be mined. My favorite here is the Clinton quote about how they shouldn't have pushed for Palestinian elections without making an effort to shape their outcome. Both this and the item about Turkish donations are ironically noteworthy, given Clinton's focus in the debates about alleged Russian interference in the U.S. election to benefit Donald Trump. And the revelation of an illegal joint Clinton/DNC account seems like it's begging for a lawsuit against the Democratic National Committee by Bernie Sanders, or maybe by his supporters if he lacks the will. To balance out the material on Clinton, I'll also share a nice compendium of Trump's "greatest hits" by David A. Graham in The Atlantic. "The Many Scandals of Donald Trump: A Cheat Sheet" runs the gamut from dishonest business dealings to the well-known abhorrent treatment of women, to bribery, stiffing workers on their paychecks, and more – http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/10/donald-trump-scandals/4… I've copied a few of them below in between the Oct. 28 and Oct. 29 WikiLeaks material. But there were evidently too many skeletons in the closet of the man who's arguably the most temperamentally unfit candidate to ever be a serious contender for U.S. president, for even an experienced reporter to sort through all the bones, as Graham says nothing about Paul Manafort. In any normal year, this would be a pretty stunning omission. If you don't know who Manafort is, that's interesting reading too. His history dovetails very neatly with the complimentary things that the protofascist Trump has had to say about other countries' dictators: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Manafort But speaking of skeletons, I would of course be remiss myself not to mention the very literal skeletons that are rumored to abound in the Clintons' boudoir, some more credibly than others, but in a disturbingly high totality: http://www.clintonmemoriallibrary.com/body-count/clinton-casualties/ The latest five suspicious deaths have accumulated in just the past few weeks: http://www.anonews.co/clinton-body-count/ If you've ever asked yourself – and in light of what Trump has said on the record about women, you really should – "Do I really believe all those women accusing him of assault and rape are just making it up?", then you should ask yourself a similar question about the Clinton Body Count: "Do I really believe all those individuals close to the Clintons died coincidentally?" I was going to try to count them up and determine whether the sexual assault cases outnumber the skeletons or vice-versa, but decided it sounded like too much work. So, no matter which candidate your friends detest more, you can feel comfortable forwarding them this email for Halloween, since there's something here to scare or revolt everyone. }:-P In all seriousness, Clinton and Trump really are the worst duopoly candidates in memory, bar none. Everything one can say about the nauseating quality of the 2-party cartel's offerings in the 2016 U.S. presidential election feels like an understatement. Once again, "The Simpsons" comes disturbingly close to real life: Meanwhile, the establishment media continue to pretend in most of their coverage that the non-cartel alternatives, most notably Gary Johnson – http://www.JohnsonWeld2016.com – don't exist. That they ignore a pair of respected, two-term former governors is proof that being too radical isn't what's been holding the Libertarian Party back – it's the fact that the part of the system that isn't rigged, is thoroughly, fundamentally broken. But there's always the possibility of fixing it, if enough people step out of line. Not only by voting for the libertarian alternative – that's just part of the picture. Engaging in as much activism as you can and as much civil disobedience as you dare the rest of the year is more important. But voting Nov. 8th is a good start. It costs nothing, and they don't dare tax it (yet). If you haven't studied all the candidates and issues, don't stress too much – most other voters haven't either, any more than most legislators read all the legislation they vote on. Just keep in mind these two simple rules of voting: 1) If you're unsure which candidate to choose, vote against the incumbent or the one(s) you've heard of. The reason their names are familiar is usually because they've got the special interest money and/or establishment political connections to get exposure. 2) If you're unsure about a ballot measure, just vote no. As with food labels, if the description of the contents is too long and complicated, it probably isn't healthy! Love & Liberty, ((( starchild ))) "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." – Philip K. Dick October 29 Leaks 1. Hillary's team admits to knowing of classified material in emails https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/34437#efmAGOAHI “Gowdy is focused on how her Benghazi emails are self-selected by her and therefore paint on an incomplete picture. He is not focused on the classified email, which is great." This is the campaign admitting to knowing there were classified emails, despite saying there were none. How is this not proof of awareness and thus "intent"? But Hillary already said there was NO classified email of any kind sent or received... She then said FBI Director James Comey agreed with her. Surely people don't think she actually tried to lie about this, right?... 2. Top Clinton staffer: Hillary and Bill "have the worst judgment" https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/35921 “Sometimes HRC/WJC have the worst judgement" If her own team, her closest allies who see her on a day to day basis claim that she has bad judgment in emails they think will never be seen... you can be assured she has done a lot of questionable things behind closed doors. These leaks are exposing many of them. As bad as these leaks are, she deleted 33,000 emails that she most likely deemed to be too damning, which is scary considering how bad all of these are. Remember, Bernie Sander also said she has bad judgement. 3. Turkish President Erdogan's team may be donating to Democrats https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/36009 “Seems Erdogan faction is making substantial investments in U.S. to counter opposition (CHP, Kurds, Gulenists etc.) outreach to policymakers and USG." "Am told that the Erdogan crew also tries to make inroads via donations to Democratic candidates, including yours." "Two names that you should be aware of are Mehmet Celebi and Ali Cinar." If true, this would obviously be highly illegal. Turkey has been associated with helping ISIS through oil trade. This could explain why Erdogan's unprecedented crackdown on "coup plotters" has been met with zero resistance from the U.S. This has led to almost 100,000 workers losing their jobs, getting arrested, or being removed from Erdogan's political opposition. This picture talks about the two names mentioned. Mehmet Celebi: he was a Regional Co-Chair on Hillary's Finance Committee for her 2008 presidential run. Has his hands in a lot of pies and is a long-time Clinton associate at this point. He also is listed on Hillary's website as "Hill-raiser," someone who has raised more than $100,000 for her presidential bid. Ali Cinar is a US/Turk expert and hosted a DNC event. 4. The Clintons are backstabbers according to close ally https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/11472 “As they say, the apple doesn't fall far... A kiss on the cheek while she is sticking a knife in the back, and front" Former Bill Clinton personal assistant and cofounder of the Clinton Global Initiative is saying Chelsea is just like Hillary, and not in a good way. 5. Hillary campaign writing Hillary's "off-the-cuff remarks" for an "off the record" Trump protest https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/36003 “HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON - REMARKS AT CULINARY WORKERS PROTEST - AT TRUMP TOWER - LAS VEGAS, NV - MONDAY, OCTOBER 12, 2015" This email has the full script in the attachments. Many on her staff were involved with writing scripts for the "off the record" protests. They staged (yet another) fake protest so that Hillary could show up and deliver her "off the cuff" talking points, such as "So I have just one word for Mr. Trump: “Basta! [BAHS-ta!] Enough!” Off the record protests are the type of protests that were exposed by Project Veritas, where they pay people to go to Trump rallies and incite violence. 6. Media collusion: journalist upset by sticking up for Hillary https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/36354 “I must tell you, John, when I see things like this, there are moments when I think her candidacy was just not meant to be . I went out on a limb for her today, which very few Democrats who are not paid by her have done recently as visibly and strongly as I did today, and if I knew this kind of thing was coming I would never have done it in a million years." "A Clintonian triangulation against liberals at this particular moment in her political life is not the shrewd strategy I would propose." This "journalist" sounds upset that he is not getting paid to stick up for Hillary. Because AFTER ALL he is in the media and should be FAIR AND UN-BIASED. Wow... He is also trying to talk strategy and offer political advice as a journalist to the head of her campaign. Media collusion! ================================================================================================================== Refusing to Pay Workers and Contractors Where and when: various, 1980s-present The dirt: Contractors, waiters, dishwashers, and plumbers who have worked at Trump projects say that his company stiffed them for work, refusing to pay for services rendered. USA Today did a lengthy review, finding that some of those contracts were for hundreds of thousands of dollars, many owed to small businesses that failed or struggled to continue because of unpaid bills. (Trump was also found to have improperly withheld compensation in the undocumented Polish worker controversy.) The upshot: Trump has offered various excuses, including shoddy workmanship, but the scale of the problem—hundreds of allegations—makes that hard to credit. In some cases, even the lawyers Trump has hired to defend him have sued him for failing to pony up their fees. In one lawsuit, a Trump employee admitted in court that a painter was stiffed because managers determined they had “already paid enough.” The cases are damaging because they show Trump not driving a hard bargain with other businesses, but harming ordinary, hard-working Americans. Read more: USA Today, The Wall Street Journal Trump Institute Where and when: Boca Raton and elsewhere, 2005-? The dirt: Around the same time Donald Trump was operating Trump University, the allegedly fraudulent real-estate seminar for which he’s now being sued, he also franchised his name to Irene and Mike Milin, serial operators of get-rich-quick schemes. Unlike Trump U., Trump did not own the company. Instead, he licensed his name, appearing in an informercial and promising falsely that he would hand-pick instructors. (He made a similar promise with Trump U.) As Jonathan Martin reports, the course materials at Trump Institute consisted in part of textbooks that were plagiarized. The upshot: The Milins were forced to declare bankruptcy in 2008, in part because of the law-enforcement investigations and lawsuits against their company. Trump Institute continued on for a few years afterwards. A Trump aide says he was unaware of the plagiarism, but said he stood by the curriculum. Read more: The New York Times, Ars Technica, The Daily Beast Undocumented Models Where and when: New York, 1999-? The dirt: Former models who worked for Trump Model Management say that they and others worked for the agency in the United States despite not having proper permits. Some of them worked on tourist visas, either never getting the correct permits or else getting them only after working in the U.S. illegally for months. The upshot: The story is embarrassing for Trump, who has argued that U.S. immigration laws should be much more strictly enforced. Some models also received H-1B visas, a special type of permit for workers in specialized industries—a program that Trump has criticized on the campaign trail this year. Read more: Mother Jones The Trump Foundation Where and when: Various, 1988-present The dirt: Though Donald Trump often promises to give to charity, his foundation has proven rather skimpy on the gifts over the years—and when it has given, the money has often come from other pockets than Trump’s, including outside donors and even NBC. In the mid-2000s, Trump reconfigured the charity as a pass-through, soliciting donations from other and then giving the money away as though from himself. It appears that the foundation did not have the requisite legal permission from New York state to gather donations. In a few cases, the foundation also reported making donations it had not made. There’s special scrutiny on one $25,000 donation it did give, to a group supporting Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi, which arrived just days before she quashed an investigation into Trump University and the Trump Institute. Trump also appears to have used $258,000 in foundation money, most of it given by other donors and not himself, to settle legal disputes, including donations to charity in lieu of paying fines. Trump directed more than $2 million in income to the foundation, and if he didn’t pay taxes on them—his campaign for the most part refused to say—it would be illegal tax-dodging. The upshot: The foundation may have broken IRS rules on “self-dealing” by paying to resolve the legal disputes as well as buying a portrait of Trump and a Tim Tebow helmet that went back to the Trump family. On the donation, Trump and Bondi both say there was no quid-pro-quo, but the donation was an illegal one for a charitable nonprofit, and the foundation had to pay a $2,500 fine. Liberal watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington charges other laws may have been broken as well. New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman has reportedly launched an investigation into the foundation. Schneiderman has also informed the foundation that it is in violation of rules on fundraising and ordered it to quit. Read more: David Fahrenthold (several times over), me, The New York Times, Fahrenthold, Fahrenthold, Fahrenthold, Fahrenthold, Fahrenthold October 28 Leaks 1. Hillary caught on tape about rigging the Palestine election (audio) https://soundcloud.com/user-30899546/hrc-determine-who-win-1 “I do not think we should have pushed for an election in the Palestinian territories. I think that was a big mistake. And if we were going to push for an election, then we should have made sure that we did something to determine who was going to win.” According to an article by The Observer, "On September 5, 2006, Eli Chomsky was an editor and staff writer for the Jewish Press, and Hillary Clinton was running for a shoo-in re-election as a U.S. senator. Her trip making the rounds of editorial boards brought her to Brooklyn to meet the editorial board of the Jewish Press. The tape was never released and has only been heard by the small handful of Jewish Press staffers in the room. According to Chomsky, his old-school audiocassette is the only existent copy and no one has heard it since 2006, until today when he played it for the Observer. The tape is 45 minutes and contains much that is no longer relevant." Chomsky recalls being taken aback that “anyone could support the idea - offered by a national political leader, no less - that the U.S. should be in the business of fixing foreign elections.” This is 100% proof that she is willing to debauch an electoral process. This also shows that she knows what it takes to rig an election. 2. "Bill Clinton Inc." How millions of dollars were raised for the Clintons. Blurred lines between personal and Foundation money https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/32240 (in attachments) “Throughout the past 11 years since President Clinton left office, I have sought to leverage my activities, including my partner role at Teneo, to support and raise funds … to support the Clinton Foundation and President Clinton personally." "We also have solicited and obtained, as appropriate, in-kind services for the president and his family – for personal travel, hospitality, vacation and the like.” "...more than $50 million in for-profit activity...” "We appreciate the unorthodox nature of our roles" The 12 page document goes in detail over how Bill Clinton monetized the foundation. The basic context is that, at some point in 2011 there was a civil war inside the foundation, with Teneo/Doug Band on one side, and Chelsea Clinton on the other. In this attachment, Band tries to justify himself by going over how much money he has made for the Clintons. It also dispels and puts to rest the notion that the Clintons don't make money from the Foundation. In fact, it demonstrates that the Clinton fortune and the Foundation are indistinguishable and essentially the same, and that donations to the Foundation come with kickbacks for all involved. The Clinton Foundation even hired a law firm to find out if their pay-to-play scheme would jeopardize their charitable status with the IRS. Doug Band (who was to Bill what Huma Abedin is to Hillary) described his work as running "Bill Clinton Inc." Essentially, the memo describes Teneo as the revenue-generating arm of Clinton, Inc. - for Clinton speeches, foundation money, etc. It also details quite a bit of offshore money that came in. Band was selling his clients on idea that giving to the Foundation was a way to bolster their influence. 3. Bribe money: Bill Clinton paid $255,000 for speech. Two months later, Hillary awards CISCO the State Department’s Award for Corporate Excellence https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3645#efmA3aA70 “CISCO: Request is submitted for WJC to speak at CISCO two months before HRC awards CISCO the State Department’s Award for Corporate Excellence, holding a ceremony featuring the CISCO’s CEO. According to HRC's financial disclosure form, WJC received $255,000 for this speech." That's becoming an awful lot of coincidences of large payments to the Clintons, and government goodies in return. The conflict of interest and corruption never seems to end. 4. DNC and Hillary campaign had joint account during primaries https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/32020 “I wanted to get your blessing to move forward with the DNC joint account. We didn't get a chance to cover that on our call. I'm obviously happy to have a conversation about it if you want--or move forward. I'm happy with the arrangement and believe it's important to our money and operational strategies." "I'm fine w the TV and go ahead w DNC. Thx." This email is from July 15, 2015. She announced her candidacy on April 12, 2015. This is all well before the Democratic primaries even started. Hillary herself OK's the deal in the email. This is highly illegal and violates FEC laws. It also once again shows that the primaries were rigged against Bernie Sanders since the beginning. 5. Hillary needed "sobering up" at 4:30 in the afternoon https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/25842 “Should I call her and talk this through or better leave with you? ’m worried she’ll get on with Cheryl and we’ll end up in a bad place.” "I think you should call her and sober her up some." In February 2015, New York Times reporter Amy Chozick told ABC News she was shocked to find out that Hillary likes to drink while campaigning. Chozick explained, “She likes to drink. We were on the campaign trail in 2008 and the press thought she was just taking shots to pander to voters in Pennsylvania. Um, no.” On Oct. 9, 2016, Chozick tweeted: “‘We need to take off so we can have some drinks served,’ Hillary says on her campaign plane.” It’s not clear whether Hillary may have been consuming alcohol or possibly taking medication that afternoon. 6. Hillary campaign trying to discredit nurses, not calling them a real union https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/33465 “National Nurses United" "On the nurses - can we be ready w background for the press team on how fringe they are?" "Totally agree. I'm just worried less experienced reporters won't understand that they're not a "real" union." The National Nurses United (NNU) is the actually the largest union of registered nurses in the United States. Add nurses to the big list of "Deplorables" the Clinton campaign and her team have insulted, including Catholics, Christians, Latinos, Blacks, Muslims, Trump fans, Bernie fans, etc. 7. Hillary’s team: “There is no ad on earth that will increase her trust ratings or the enthusiasm of her voters” https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/31987#efmAzOA5j “I suspect her negative trust ratings are locked in through election day... These trust problems are self-induced and keep occurring... There is no ad on earth that will increase her trust ratings or the enthusiasm of her voters" Hillary's own team knows she is deeply flawed and untrustworthy in the eyes of the American people. Before the Democratic National Convention, 68 percent said Clinton was not honest or trustworthy. That number was BEFORE WikiLeaks, FBI Docs, tapes, and other damaging releases. 8. Hillary’s camp discusses using Eric Garner’s death to further political agenda https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/31987#efmAzOA5j "Attaching a draft op-ed from HRC on gun violence for placement in the New York Daily News.” “Finally, I know we have Erica Garner issues but we don't want to mention Eric at all? I can see her coming after us for leaving him out of the piece.” “Eric Garner not included because not killed by gun violence...That’s a pretty good point.” Garner’s daughter, Erica, was not pleased by this revelation, and blasted Hillary Clinton on Twitter for using her father’s death for her political agenda. She said, “I’m troubled by the revelation that you and this campaign actually discussed ‘using’ Eric Garner … Why would you want to ‘use my dad?” Garner tweeted along with a link to emails released by WikiLeaks. “These people will co opt anything to push their agenda. Police violence is not the same as gun violence.” 9. Hillary went to Chipotle for "photo-op", no one noticed her https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/33956 “HRC went through the line and ordered a burrito bowl with chicken and black beans, gauc, and an iced tea. No one noticed that she was there, which made for an awkward encounter between me and the manager as I was taking aerial shots of HRC ordering. I think he thought I was from the health department." The local news reported that she didn't leave a tip. This leak is more sad/funny as opposed to corrupt. It was included in just the new leaks and won't be added to the top 100.

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FW: Fw: Fw: Motion: Assemblyman Moore - request for co-sponsors
by Demarest, David P. 31 Oct '16

31 Oct '16

John, Thank you for your redacted response. I believe that your response is honest, sincere and well-meaning. Your two votes that concern some of us may accurately reflect your vision of Libertarian principles. However, you have considerable homework to do on your Libertarian principle reasoning. The notion that you will always honor the will of the people when it conflicts the with the Party line is a false dichotomy. The choice should be between the will of the people or, for that matter, the party line, when they are in conflict with your conscience and personal principles. Let's assume just for the sake of discussion an exaggerated hypothetical situation where 62% of your constituents supported a legal initiative to legalize slavery. Would you vote to reflect the will of the people? Probably not. That begs the question of where should you draw the line between voting your conscience and reflecting the will of the people? I would submit that as a Libertarian, you should always vote your conscience and personal principles when they conflict with the will of the people or the party line. Voting for the will of the people for the purpose of getting reelected is directly responsible for scourge of crony capitalism that is destroying our way of life. John, it is very generous of you to vote for the stadium construction that will employ thousands but will be paid for by someone other than you - very generous indeed. That suggests that you know better than us how we should spend our money and you don't trust us to make those decisions for ourselves. I would point out that the political elite like to posture that they are people just like the rest of us. If our elected officials are people just like the rest of us and we can't trust them to make their own personal decisions, how in the hell can we trust them to make decisions for us. I would further submit that the political elite do not suddenly become wiser than the rest of us the minute they assume office. Point of fact, when push comes to shove, they will far too often choose to take care of their own personal needs at our expense with no thought to the future after they leave office. John, I will assume that you switched to the LP because of your principles rather than in response to the risk of the GOP self-destructing. I understand the dilemma of choosing between conscience and the reelection demands of pandering to the will of the people. I would agree that we need to change the context of governance to provide elected leaders with incentives that minimize that dilemma. In the meantime you and we can learn from the difficult decisions you were faced with. The golden opportunity to vote your conscience on the tax increase and stadium construction bills has come and gone. John, I wish you well. Let the unfortunate consequences of your voting choices be a lesson and an opportunity not only for you but for all of us to vote our conscience going forward. Thoughts? The War on Majority Rule Authoritarian Cronyism Begins Now Celebrate Life, Set the Bar High and LIVE FREE ~David Pratt Demarest Region 6 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (IA, IL, MN, MO, ND, NE, WI) Secretary, Nebraska Libertarian State Central Committee Nebraska State Coordinator, LP Radical Caucus Secretary Pro Tem, LNC Affiliate Support Committee Cell: 402-981-6469 Home: 402-493-0873 Office: 402-222-7207 From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Starchild Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 3:03 AM To: John Moore <john.moore(a)lpnevada.org<mailto:john.moore@lpnevada.org>> Cc: Libertarian National Committee list <lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org<mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org>> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Fw: Fw: Motion: Assemblyman Moore - request for co-sponsors Thank you, John. Although I don't expect it to change my stance on censure, I will give it a read and due consideration before voting. I'm glad you decided to share a redacted version, if the comments about the Nevada LP in the original were things that were better left unsaid in such a statement. I've included your attachment in this message so you don't have to send it to other LNC members separately, and as plain text at the bottom of the email for those who would rather read it in that form than open a separate document. Love & Liberty, ((( starchild ))) At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee (415) 625-FREE @StarchildSF The information in this message may be proprietary and/or confidential, and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify First Data immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer.

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Re: [Lnc-business] Fw: Fw: Motion: Assemblyman Moore - request for co-sponsors
by Starchild 31 Oct '16

31 Oct '16

Thank you, John. Although I don't expect it to change my stance on censure, I will give it a read and due consideration before voting. I'm glad you decided to share a redacted version, if the comments about the Nevada LP in the original were things that were better left unsaid in such a statement. I've included your attachment in this message so you don't have to send it to other LNC members separately, and as plain text at the bottom of the email for those who would rather read it in that form than open a separate document. Love & Liberty, ((( starchild ))) At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee (415) 625-FREE @StarchildSF On Oct 31, 2016, at 12:22 AM, John Moore wrote: > Here is a redacted copy for you > > > On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Starchild <sfdreamer(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > John, > > If you do not choose to send a redacted statement, then I feel you leave me little choice but to rely on your original statement and make that public, because I would like to be informed at least to your immediate rationale for the votes in question, and I do not agree that this rationale should be hidden from our members. Although Tim may have told you (or he may not have, I am not sure) that he would keep the statement secret in accord with your wishes, I have made no such promise. > > Love & Liberty, > ((( starchild ))) > At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee > (415) 625-FREE > @StarchildSF > > > On Oct 30, 2016, at 4:08 PM, John Moore wrote: >> Hi Tim, >> >> Please pass on to members of the LNC, >> >> I have no intention of sending a redacted statement. I have been present on two different occasions when the LNC used the "Executive session" to discuss issues in confidence and behind closed doors. This is no different in my view. If members choose not to read my statement that is their choice however they would then be casting a vote without being educated or having all of the facts. >> >> It appears that the LNC has and is using a "Double Standard" >> >> Thanks, >> John Moore >> Nevada State Assembly >> >> >> On Oct 30, 2016 3:46 PM, "John Moore" <john.moore(a)lpnevada.org> wrote: >> Hi Starchild, >> >> The LNC as well as every other political organization use the "Executive session" to discuss issues in confidence behind closed doors so I consider my statement to the LNC in that manner. >> >> Thanks, >> John John Moore >> Nevada State Assembly >> >> >> On Oct 30, 2016 12:27 PM, "Starchild" <sfdreamer(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >> You're welcome John, and good to hear from you. Not infrequently when someone asks to tell me something in confidence, I will let them know it's better that they not tell me, because I don't want to be bound to keeping something secret if it turns out to be something that I think ought to be made public, not to mention it means more mental work for me to try to keep track of what I'm not supposed to tell others! >> >> When it comes to representative organizations (of which the Libertarian Party is one), I believe in institutional transparency. I think secrecy is way overused, to the detriment of our party. Circumstances in which some members of a group have access to information that others do not tends to create a two-tiered or multi-tiered group in which insiders have more power, and that is anathema to bottom-up governance. One of the faults of party leadership, in my view, is that we have often been too insular and too much of the opinion that we can't trust ordinary LP members with information. >> >> If you feel it is productive to share your views about the Nevada LP leadership with members of the LNC, my opinion is that other party members also ought to have the benefit of hearing those views, and that if you feel they cannot productively be shared with members of the public, then it is probably not productive to share them with the LNC either and I would suggest you redact them from your statement before you send it to us. Please note that I'm not arguing either for redaction or for sharing with the world in this case – not knowing what you may have to say, there's no way for me to know whether I would consider it in the best interests of the party and movement that you keep this information to yourself, or make it known to a wider audience. >> >> But if we were to agree to accept your statement on the condition of keeping it secret, we would be putting ourselves in the position of receiving negative input about other Libertarian Party members without those members knowing what was being said about them or having any opportunity to respond to the points being made, and that does not seem fair or desirable. If Nevada LP officials had come to us while we were debating whether to donate to your campaign, and given us information critical of you but asked that we keep it secret, my response would have been similar. >> >> Love & Liberty, >> ((( starchild ))) >> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee >> (415) 625-FREE >> @StarchildSF >> >> >> On Oct 30, 2016, at 5:30 AM, John Moore wrote: >>> Thank you starchild for your response to my statement. The reason I have it marked as "confidential" is for the statements that I made regarding the Nevada Libertarian party leadership. I respect your opinion and input on this issue. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> John Moore >>> Nevada State Assembly >>> >>> >>> On Oct 29, 2016 11:11 PM, "Starchild" <sfdreamer(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >>> Thanks Tim, that answers my question (i.e. he didn't say why he wants secrecy). Since votes on the motion are due Monday but that being Halloween I might forget if I wait until the last day, I'll probably vote tomorrow evening. If you (or John) have sent me the attached documents by then, I'll read them and take what he has to say into consideration when voting. >>> >>> Love & Liberty, >>> ((( starchild ))) >>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee >>> (415) 625-FREE >>> @StarchildSF >>> >>> >>> On Oct 29, 2016, at 10:53 PM, Tim Hagan wrote: >>> >>>> This is the e-mail I received from John Moore, but with the attachments removed. The documents attached started with a statement that he considers it to be a confidential document to be shared only with the Libertarian National Committee as well as all contents of his statement. >>>> >>>> Tim Hagan >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Forwarded Message ----- >>>> From: John Moore <john.moore(a)lpnevada.org> >>>> To: Tim Hagan <timhagan-tyr(a)yahoo.com> >>>> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 5:25 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Fw: [Lnc-business] Motion: Assemblyman Moore - request for co-sponsors >>>> >>>> Hi Tim, >>>> >>>> Please pass the attached documents to the LNC. Please do not disseminate the contents with anyone outside of the LNC. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> John Moore >>>> Nevada Assembly >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 8:36 AM, Tim Hagan <timhagan-tyr(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> John, >>>> >>>> As you've probably already heard, many Libertarians are disappointed and perplexed about your votes during the special session. Caryn Ann Harlos is moving the motion below in the Libertarian National Committee concerning your votes in support of tax increases. Let me know if you have anything you wish me to pass on to the LNC. She and her co-sponsors are asking for an e-mail ballot, so the debate and votes will be via e-mail during the next ten days. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Tim Hagan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Forwarded Message ----- >>>> >>>> From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@ hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Caryn Ann Harlos >>>> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 7:45 PM >>>> To: lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org >>>> Subject: [Lnc-business] Motion: Assemblyman Moore - request for co-sponsors >>>> >>>> Multiple party members including region 1 members have acted that the LNC take action regarding Assemblyman Moore. While normally, I would say that is solely an issue for the state party to handle, unless possibly, a Federal candidate, but in this case, we spent National Party member's direct monies, and thus I do agree this is our responsibility. As someone who advocated for the funds allocation, I believe it is my responsibility to address this once members raised a concern: >>>> >>>> Whereas Nevada Assemblyman John Moore, a former Republican who in January 2016 switched to the Libertarian Party while in office, has during the past month voted not once but twice in the span of as many days to raise taxes on his constituents, including a vote to support a "More Cops" tax which the Libertarian Party of Nevada has tirelessly and thus far successfully opposed, and a vote to provide a $750 million subsidy to finance a billionaire-owned sports stadium at the expense of, among others, indigent persons renting weekly rooms in motels; and >>>> >>>> Whereas the elected leaders of our state affiliate party in Nevada have rightfully voted to censure Assemblyman Moore for these egregious votes; and >>>> >>>> Whereas we wish to convey a strong message to all and sundry that while we welcome sitting legislators in the Republican or Democrat parties who decide to switch to the Libertarian Party as an act of conscience, we do not welcome them if they intend, as members of our party, to continue voting and acting like Republicans or Democrats; >>>> >>>> Therefore be it resolved that the Libertarian National Committee hereby censures Assemblyman Moore for his recent votes in support of tax increases, requests that he return the $10,000 campaign contribution which the LNC this season voted to send him, and admonishes him to henceforward be a better champion of the values held by members of the political party with which he has chosen to affiliate if he intends to remain a Libertarian. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> In Liberty, >>>> Caryn Ann Harlos >>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos(a)LP.org >>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado >>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus >>>> >> > > > <LNC Document Redacted.pdf> To the Libertarian National Committee, I will address your concerns with how I voted on the two bills during the Special Session. The "more cops tax" Please get your facts correct before you or anyone else makes false statements. Not one member of the Nevada Assembly voted to increase any tax regarding the 'More cops tax" This bill only gave the Clark County commissioners permission if THEY CHOOSE to increase the sales tax in Clark County. It was an ENABLING bill NOT a tax increase of any sort. To date no tax increase has been done. So please once again, get your facts correct, don't play on words. The Convention center expansion / Stadium issue. I stand by my deciding vote 100% I polled 47% (13,000 people) out of 28,000 active voters in my district to see how they felt about the issue, 62% supported it 36% did not support it and 2% had no opinion of it. I represent FIRST and foremost the people of my district and not a political party. I have never and will never put party objectives above the will of the people that I represent. By choosing to censure me you are in FACT forcing your will upon me and everyone that does not agree with you. How is that true freedom or Liberty? NAP? Where were all of the Libertarians when it came time to testify during the Assembly hearings that were held during the special session? Only two, count them, two people from the libertarian party testified at the Assembly hearings. Even the Nevada state party chairman who was present chose not to testify before the Assembly. This bill will put thousands of out of work Nevadans back to work during the life of the construction of the stadium and the convention center expansion, 3-5 years. The expansion of the convention center is a must as Las Vegas is running out of convention space and many of the major conventions have stated that they will be forced to leave and go someplace else. CES for example brings over $160 million dollars to the Las Vegas local economy when they are here. That is not a small amount. When Governor Sandoval called me the morning of the vote to discuss the bill, I informed him that the vote would be very close but that I felt it did not have the votes to pass at the time of the conversation, however he had another proclamation waiting in case the measure failed and he would call us right back into another special session and this time the bill would only need a majority to pass instead of a two thirds majority. It would be an enabling bill and it would be exactly the same as the more cops bill, meaning it would give the Clark County Commission the authority to pass it if they chose to. This bill was going to pass with or without my deciding vote. This bill does not effect any Nevadian unless that person chooses to stay in a hotel and then the increase is approx. $1.25 per day. Please do not try and put forth the argument that indigent folks that stay in weekly hotels will be punished as a result. Some people tried to argue that those folks can not afford the deposits to rent an apartment or a house and that is why they are so called “forced” to stay in a weekly hotel. Even the weekly hotels charge a deposit prior to any stay. My response to those that find my deciding vote so “reprehensible” is this, Please do not attend any NFL game, UNLV game, concert or any other event that will be held at the stadium. Also do not patronize any business that may be built in and around the stadium as a result of the stadium being built. Do not attend any conventions that will be held at the convention center as a result of the expansion. Do not take any job that may be offered as a result of the stadium or convention center expansion because then you would be receiving a direct benefit of the very thing that you find so “reprehensible” and that would make you a true hypocrite. “Practice what you preach” You don't get to have it both ways. I hope this lengthy explanation helps you to understand my thought process and my deciding vote of which I stand by 100%. Thank you for your time, John Moore Nevada State Assembly

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