November 2012 - Lnc-business - Moellman Enterprises Email

Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot on Purchasing an Office by Daniel Wiener
by SAM8074＠aol.com 26 Nov '12

26 Nov '12

I vote no again in lieu of a superseding vote by Jillian Mack. Live Free, Sam Goldstein, Chair Libertarian Party of Indiana LNC Region 3 Alternate 8925 N. Meridian St., Ste. 101 Indianapolis IN 46260 317-850-0726 Cell 317-582-1773 Fax chair(a)lpin.org Email In a message dated 11/26/2012 1:29:11 P.M. US Eastern Standard Time, vickilp12(a)gmail.com writes: I vote Yes. Vicki Kirkland On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Dave Blau <_blau.liberty(a)gmail.com_ (mailto:blau.liberty@gmail.com) > wrote: I vote AYE on behalf of Region 5N. On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Scott L. <_scott73(a)earthlink.net_ (mailto:scott73@earthlink.net) > wrote: “Since there seems to be some confusion, let's try this again: Daniel Wiener makes the following motion: Moved, that the LNC approve the purchase of an office in the greater Washington, D.C. area, to be named in honor of David Nolan, contingent on the following conditions: · A minimum of $400,000 shall be raised from dedicated contributions. If a portion of that is in the form of pledges, the pledges must be converted to cash before a purchase contract and mortgage agreement are finalized. · Any loan must be based on a minimum of a 30% down payment and a loan with options extending for a minimum of 10 years before a final balloon payment becomes due. · The most recent financial statement reported unrestricted general fund balance must exceed $167,000 before a purchase contract and loan agreement are finalized. · Additional payments towards the principal loan balance of at least $60,000 per year above the minimum loan requirement must be made, with this requirement structured in such a way that future LNC bodies cannot easily circumvent it. These payments shall be in the form of an additional $5,000 per month paid out of the general fund, but reimbursable from dedicated building fund contributions. This motion will constitute authority to incur a mortgage if the above conditions are met and if this motion passes by the necessary two-thirds vote as specified in the Libertarian Party’s Bylaws. This motion is co-sponsored by Vicki Kirkland, Michael Cloud and Ruth Bennett Voting is for 10 days so will end at 5AM EST on December 5, 2012. Please respond directly to this email” I vote No. Scott Lieberman _______________________________________________ Lnc-business mailing list _Lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org_ (mailto:Lnc-business@hq.lp.org) _http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org_ (http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org) _______________________________________________ Lnc-business mailing list _Lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org_ (mailto:Lnc-business@hq.lp.org) _http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org_ (http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org) _______________________________________________ Lnc-business mailing list Lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org

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Re: [Lnc-business] Revised motion - Casting my vote
by Geoffrey Neale 25 Nov '12

25 Nov '12

I am voting AYE on the motion in red below. Geoffrey Neale From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Wiener Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 12:11 AM To: lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Revised motion Norm, there unfortunately was some confusion from the Secretary's emails, but the motion which garnered four sponsors for an email ballot is shown below in red bold italics. This is the correct and final version, and it is the only motion which has been properly sponsored. The Bylaws require that a motion which is sponsored by at least 1/5 of the members of the committee (i.e., at least four members) be sent out for an electronic mail ballot. Dan Wiener Moved, that the LNC approve the purchase of an office in the greater Washington, D.C. area, to be named in honor of David Nolan, contingent on the following conditions: . A minimum of $400,000 shall be raised from dedicated contributions. If a portion of that is in the form of pledges, the pledges must be converted to cash before a purchase contract and mortgage agreement are finalized. . Any loan must be based on a minimum of a 30% down payment and a loan with options extending for a minimum of 10 years before a final balloon payment becomes due. . The most recent financial statement reported unrestricted general fund balance must exceed $167,000 before a purchase contract and loan agreement are finalized. . Additional payments towards the principal loan balance of at least $60,000 per year above the minimum loan requirement must be made, with this requirement structured in such a way that future LNC bodies cannot easily circumvent it. These payments shall be in the form of an additional $5,000 per month paid out of the general fund, but reimbursable from dedicated building fund contributions. This motion will constitute authority to incur a mortgage if the above conditions are met and if this motion passes by the necessary two-thirds vote as specified in the Libertarian Party's Bylaws. On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 9:35 PM, Norm Olsen <region1rep(a)donedad.com> wrote: I must suggest that the motion upon which many people seem to be voting on is not an official motion. There are several versions of "this motion" which are floating around with this added here, and/or that and something else deleted there. I have no idea as to which of the several versions of this motion is that which garnered the appropriate 4 co-sponsors. I suspect that the co-sponsors probably don't know either. This mayhem is precisely the type of confusion which reigned in December of 2011 when the LNC refused to buy a building (in fact a simple majority could not be achieved when 2/3'rds was required). Of course, this failure to buy a building was blamed on some adverse "factional conspiracy" acting against the true best interests of the party. For God's sake: If you're dead set on buying an incredibly expensive building, in the most expensive real estate market in the nation, using a mail ballot procedure, using a motion which attempts to bind future LNC's to the whims and wishes of this LNC: at least get your homework done before you go to school. Norm -- Norman T Olsen Regional Representative, Region I Libertarian National Committee 7931 S Broadway, PMB 102 Littleton, Colorado 80122-2710 303-277-9967 Norman.Olsen(a)lp.org "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Gandhi From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of David E. Blau, Esq. Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 2:36 PM To: lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Revised motion On behalf of Region 5N, I am proud to vote YES on this motion. _____ David E. Blau, Esq. Chairman, Libertarian Association of Massachusetts. chair(a)lpmass.org Region 5N Alternate, Libertarian National Committee. David.Blau(a)lp.org www.lpmass.org | www.lp.org 617.396.4253 On 11/23/2012 11:21 PM, Daniel Wiener wrote: The motion shown below is still missing the final paragraph, which reads: This motion will constitute authority to incur a mortgage if the above conditions are met and if this motion passes by the necessary two-thirds vote as specified in the Libertarian Party's Bylaws. Therefore, the entire motion is as follows: Moved, that the LNC approve the purchase of an office in the greater Washington, D.C. area, to be named in honor of David Nolan, contingent on the following conditions: . A minimum of $400,000 shall be raised from dedicated contributions. If a portion of that is in the form of pledges, the pledges must be converted to cash before a purchase contract and mortgage agreement are finalized. . Any loan must be based on a minimum of a 30% down payment and a loan with options extending for a minimum of 10 years before a final balloon payment becomes due. . The most recent financial statement reported unrestricted general fund balance must exceed $167,000 before a purchase contract and loan agreement are finalized. . Additional payments towards the principal loan balance of at least $60,000 per year above the minimum loan requirement must be made, with this requirement structured in such a way that future LNC bodies cannot easily circumvent it. These payments shall be in the form of an additional $5,000 per month paid out of the general fund, but reimbursable from dedicated building fund contributions. This motion will constitute authority to incur a mortgage if the above conditions are met and if this motion passes by the necessary two-thirds vote as specified in the Libertarian Party's Bylaws. Daniel Wiener On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Ruth Bennett <bennettruthaz(a)gmail.com> wrote: Mr. Wiener informs me that I previously sent out an early draft and the motion should read as follows: Moved, that the LNC approve the purchase of an office in the greater Washington, D.C. area, to be named in honor of David Nolan, contingent on the following conditions: . A minimum of $400,000 shall be raised from dedicated contributions. If a portion of that is in the form of pledges, the pledges must be converted to cash before a purchase contract and mortgage agreement are finalized. . Any loan must be based on a minimum of a 30% down payment and a loan with options extending for a minimum of 10 years before a final balloon payment becomes due. . The most recent financial statement reported unrestricted general fund balance must exceed $167,000 before a purchase contract and loan agreement are finalized. . Additional payments towards the principal loan balance of at least $60,000 per year above the minimum loan requirement must be made, with this requirement structured in such a way that future LNC bodies cannot easily circumvent it. These payments shall be in the form of an additional $5,000 per month paid out of the general fund, but reimbursable from dedicated building fund contributions. As before, co-sponsors are Vicki Kirkland, Michael Cloud and Ruth Bennett Ruth _______________________________________________ Lnc-business mailing list Lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org _______________________________________________ Lnc-business mailing list Lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org _______________________________________________ Lnc-business mailing list Lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org

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Revised motion
by Ruth Bennett 25 Nov '12

25 Nov '12

Mr. Wiener informs me that I previously sent out an early draft and the motion should read as follows: *Moved, that the LNC approve the purchase of an office in the greater Washington, D.C. area, to be named in honor of David Nolan, contingent on the following conditions:* * * - *A minimum of $400,000 shall be raised from dedicated contributions. If a portion of that is in the form of pledges, the pledges must be converted to cash before a purchase contract and mortgage agreement are finalized.* - *Any loan must be based on a minimum of a 30% down payment and a loan with options extending for a minimum of 10 years before a final balloon payment becomes due.* - *The most recent financial statement reported unrestricted general fund balance must exceed $167,000 before a purchase contract and loan agreement are finalized.* - *Additional payments towards the principal loan balance of at least $60,000 per year above the minimum loan requirement must be made, with this requirement structured in such a way that future LNC bodies cannot easily circumvent it. These payments shall be in the form of an additional $5,000 per month paid out of the general fund, but reimbursable from dedicated building fund contributions.* As before, co-sponsors are Vicki Kirkland, Michael Cloud and Ruth Bennett Ruth

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Parliamentary question - How many cosponsors are needed for an email motion?
by Starchild 24 Nov '12

24 Nov '12

On August 4, I made reference to the rule (from the Bylaws, Article 8, Section 10) about 1/5th of the LNC needing to co-sponsor a motion proposed by email in order for it to be voted on, and noted that my reading was that this means six of us. To my knowledge, no one contradicted or corrected that statement: On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Starchild <sfdreamer(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > I've proposed a number of motions I believe were practical and productive, but generally at our in-person meetings since the threshold to get anything voted on in a mail vote is much higher (at the meetings it only takes one person seconding; here it takes at least 1/5th of the committee, which I read to be six of us). I think reducing that threshold in the bylaws would be a good idea, and could enable us to get more actual stuff accomplished between meetings. Was what I wrote incorrect but no one caught it, and is it in fact the case that an email motion not coming from the chair actually needs only four co-sponsors? I note that this is the number with which the secretary published the recent motion concerning buying a building. As I wrote above, I believe a lower threshold is preferable, but the most important thing is for everyone to understand what the number is, and for the rules to be consistently applied. If LNC alternates are not counted when determining the number of co-sponsors an email motion needs, then I presume they would not be counted toward other thresholds either, such as quorum, super-majorities, etc. (unless of course they are sitting in for their regional reps)? What are people's understandings on this? Love & Liberty, ((( starchild ))) At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee

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Re: [Lnc-business] Mail Ballot on HQ purchase
by SAM8074＠aol.com 24 Nov '12

24 Nov '12

In lieu of a superceding vote by Region 3 Representative Jillian Mack, I vote no on this motion. Sam Goldstein, Chair Libertarian Party of Indiana LNC Region 3 Alternate 8925 N. Meridian St., Ste. 101 Indianapolis IN 46260 317-850-0726 Cell 317-582-1773 Fax chair(a)lpin.org Email In a message dated 11/24/2012 4:02:50 A.M. US Eastern Standard Time, sfdreamer(a)earthlink.net writes: My vote on the revised motion remains no. Indeed this revised motion begs the questions of precisely *who* will have the authority to incur a mortgage. The language of the new added paragraph suggests that if this passes, *someone* will be empowered to select a building and take out a mortgage on it without any further input from the LNC. That doesn't seem right to me. Love & Liberty, ((( starchild ))) At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee On Nov 23, 2012, at 8:21 PM, Daniel Wiener wrote: > The motion shown below is still missing the final paragraph, which reads: > > This motion will constitute authority to incur a mortgage if the above conditions are met and if this motion passes by the necessary two-thirds vote as specified in the Libertarian Party’s Bylaws. > > Therefore, the entire motion is as follows: > > > Moved, that the LNC approve the purchase of an office in the greater Washington, D.C. area, to be named in honor of David Nolan, contingent on the following conditions: > > > > • A minimum of $400,000 shall be raised from dedicated contributions. If a portion of that is in the form of pledges, the pledges must be converted to cash before a purchase contract and mortgage agreement are finalized. > • Any loan must be based on a minimum of a 30% down payment and a loan with options extending for a minimum of 10 years before a final balloon payment becomes due. > • The most recent financial statement reported unrestricted general fund balance must exceed $167,000 before a purchase contract and loan agreement are finalized. > • Additional payments towards the principal loan balance of at least $60,000 per year above the minimum loan requirement must be made, with this requirement structured in such a way that future LNC bodies cannot easily circumvent it. These payments shall be in the form of an additional $5,000 per month paid out of the general fund, but reimbursable from dedicated building fund contributions. > > This motion will constitute authority to incur a mortgage if the above conditions are met and if this motion passes by the necessary two-thirds vote as specified in the Libertarian Party’s Bylaws. > > > > Daniel Wiener On Nov 24, 2012, at 12:49 AM, Starchild wrote: > I vote no. I don't think we have given due consideration to possibility of locating the office somewhere other than Washington D.C., and I don't see anything here about looking for a space with the qualities that I believe we ought to be seeking in an office (activist/community-oriented, high visibility, easy access, etc.) > > Love & Liberty, > ((( starchild ))) > At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee > > > On Nov 23, 2012, at 7:16 PM, Ruth Bennett wrote: > >> Daniel Wiener moves the following: >> >> >> Motion to approve the purchase of an office in the greater Washington, D.C. area contingent on the following conditions: >> >> • A minimum of 33% of the purchase price plus build-out shall be raised from dedicated contributions. If a portion of that is in the form of pledges, the pledges must be converted to cash before a purchase contract and loan agreement are finalized. >> • Any loan must be based on a minimum of a 30% down payment and a loan with options extending for a minimum of 10 years before a final balloon payment becomes due. >> • The most recent financial statement reported unrestricted general fund balance must exceed $167,000 before a purchase contract and loan agreement are finalized. >> • A 2/3 majority of the LNC must approve the specific terms of the purchase contract and loan agreement on an up-or-down vote. >> • Additional payments towards the principal loan balance of at least $60,000 per year above the minimum loan requirement must be made, with this requirement structured in such a way that future LNC bodies cannot easily circumvent it. These payments shall be in the form of an additional $5,000 per month paid out of the general fund, but reimbursable from dedicated building fund contributions. >> >> Co-sponsored by Vicki Kirkland, Michael Cloud and Ruth Bennett >> >> >> Please respond directly to this email. Voting is open until DEC 3, 2012 at 11:15 PM EST. >> >> Thank you! >> >> Ruth E. Bennett, LNC Secretary >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Lnc-business mailing list >> Lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org >> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Lnc-business mailing list > Lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org > http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org _______________________________________________ Lnc-business mailing list Lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org

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Mail Ballot on HQ purchase
by Ruth Bennett 24 Nov '12

24 Nov '12

Daniel Wiener moves the following: *Motion to approve the purchase of an office in the greater Washington, D.C. area contingent on the following conditions:* - *A minimum of 33% of the purchase price plus build-out shall be raised from dedicated contributions. If a portion of that is in the form of pledges, the pledges must be converted to cash before a purchase contract and loan agreement are finalized.* - *Any loan must be based on a minimum of a 30% down payment and a loan with options extending for a minimum of 10 years before a final balloon payment becomes due.* - *The most recent financial statement reported unrestricted general fund balance must exceed $167,000 before a purchase contract and loan agreement are finalized.* - *A 2/3 majority of the LNC must approve the specific terms of the purchase contract and loan agreement on an up-or-down vote.* - *Additional payments towards the principal loan balance of at least $60,000 per year above the minimum loan requirement must be made, with this requirement structured in such a way that future LNC bodies cannot easily circumvent it. These payments shall be in the form of an additional $5,000 per month paid out of the general fund, but reimbursable from dedicated building fund contributions.* Co-sponsored by Vicki Kirkland, Michael Cloud and Ruth Bennett *Please respond directly to this email*. Voting is open until DEC 3, 2012 at 11:15 PM EST. Thank you! Ruth E. Bennett, LNC Secretary

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Re: [Lnc-business] Motion to purchase office building
by Ruth Bennett 19 Nov '12

19 Nov '12

Michael Cloud and I are thrilled to co-sponsor. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Daniel Wiener <wiener(a)alum.mit.edu> wrote: >Attached below is a motion to purchase an LP office. I am requesting >co-sponsors for an email ballot. > > > >Daniel Wiener > > > >*Moved, that the LNC approve the purchase of an office in the greater >Washington, D.C. area, to be named in honor of David Nolan, contingent on >the following conditions:* > >* >* > > - *A minimum of $400,000 shall be raised from dedicated contributions. If > a portion of that is in the form of pledges, the pledges must be converted > to cash before a purchase contract and mortgage agreement are finalized.* > - *Any loan must be based on a minimum of a 30% down payment and a loan > with options extending for a minimum of 10 years before a final balloon > payment becomes due.* > - *The most recent financial statement reported unrestricted general > fund balance must exceed $167,000 before a purchase contract and loan > agreement are finalized.* > - *Additional payments towards the principal loan balance of at least > $60,000 per year above the minimum loan requirement must be made, with this > requirement structured in such a way that future LNC bodies cannot easily > circumvent it. These payments shall be in the form of an additional > $5,000 per month paid out of the general fund, but reimbursable from > dedicated building fund contributions.* > >* >* > >*This motion will constitute authority to incur a mortgage if the above >conditions are met and if this motion passes by the necessary two-thirds >vote as specified in the Libertarian Party’s Bylaws.* > >_______________________________________________ >Lnc-business mailing list >Lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org >http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org

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Motion to purchase office building
by Daniel Wiener 19 Nov '12

19 Nov '12

Attached below is a motion to purchase an LP office. I am requesting co-sponsors for an email ballot. Daniel Wiener *Moved, that the LNC approve the purchase of an office in the greater Washington, D.C. area, to be named in honor of David Nolan, contingent on the following conditions:* * * - *A minimum of $400,000 shall be raised from dedicated contributions. If a portion of that is in the form of pledges, the pledges must be converted to cash before a purchase contract and mortgage agreement are finalized.* - *Any loan must be based on a minimum of a 30% down payment and a loan with options extending for a minimum of 10 years before a final balloon payment becomes due.* - *The most recent financial statement reported unrestricted general fund balance must exceed $167,000 before a purchase contract and loan agreement are finalized.* - *Additional payments towards the principal loan balance of at least $60,000 per year above the minimum loan requirement must be made, with this requirement structured in such a way that future LNC bodies cannot easily circumvent it. These payments shall be in the form of an additional $5,000 per month paid out of the general fund, but reimbursable from dedicated building fund contributions.* * * *This motion will constitute authority to incur a mortgage if the above conditions are met and if this motion passes by the necessary two-thirds vote as specified in the Libertarian Party’s Bylaws.*

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At-Large Vacancy Candidates
by Ruth Bennett 16 Nov '12

16 Nov '12

Please find attached statements, resumes, etc., from self-nominated seekers of the At-Large vacancy. Candidates are - to the best of my knowledge and in no particular order: Paulie Frankel J. Mills David Blau Mark Hinkle Travis Irvine John R. Paul Marc Allan Feldman Mark A Miller Drew Miller Ronald W. Miller Jr, Tim Martin Gary E. Johnson Gigi Bowman Carl Person Jim Duensing Jason Melehani I will have all this material printed and available tomorrow as close to 7:30AM as I can. Please note that Bill Still has withdrawn with no endorsement and Guy McLendon withdrew and endorsed Mark Hinkle. While some other names were floating around, these are the only ones who sent in nominations. Ruth

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LNC At-Large Candidates and Statements
by Ruth Bennett 16 Nov '12

16 Nov '12

Self-nominated candidates for the open At-Large position are (in no particular order): Drew Miller Ronald W. Miller, Jr. Mark A. Miller Travis Irvine John R. Paul David Blau Marc Allan Feldman Tim Martin Jason Melehani Mark Hinkle Gigi Bowman Carl Person Jim Duensing J. (John) Mills Gary E. Johnson Carl Person Bill Still withdrew his name without making an endorsement Guy McLendon withdrew and endorsed Mark Hinkle. Please find attached statements from these candidates. Some are cut and pasted into a Word document. Some are PDF and some are individual Word documents. I will try to have copies of all of this available as close to 7:30AM on SUN as possible, Ruth

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